Fracking Island gas bonanza?

By Ross Findon

Sunday, December 30, 2012

 

FRACKING — which has sparked worldwide controversy — could happen on the Island, according to an oil company with a licence to search for shale gas here.

An Australian oil company is examining the results of seismology tests to decide if it pursues the process on the IW.

The news came a week after the government ended its ban on the drilling process, in which a chemical solution is pumped underground at high pressure to cause cracks in rocks and release gas.

Supporters say it could help to make the UK more energy self-sufficient and reduce energy price fluctuations.

Opponents say the process has led to polluted water, dangerous emissions and earth tremors.

A study by the British Geological Survey found the entire Island could be sitting on significant reserves.

Oil and gas exploration licences have been awarded for much of the south of the Island, from The Needles to Sandown.

The licences, held by several companies, including Norwest, Wessex Exploration and Northern Petroleum, allow for oil exploration as well as shale gas drilling by fracking.

Northern Petroleum has ruled out fracking at this stage, but Norwest, which started fracking in Western Australia this year, is evaluating seismology.

David Hedderwick, of Norwest, said environmental concerns would be taken into account before drilling started and regulations would prevent the problems that had occurred in the USA.

Island-based geologist Dr Bruce Denness said IW reserves would be attractive to drilling companies because the geologoy should make the gas easy to extract.

He did not believe the process was a significant risk to land stability on the Island, even in areas prone to landslip, such as the Undercliff.

But David Green, chief executive of Ecoisland Community Interest Company, said there had been concerns water used in fracking contained chemicals that could pollute water sources.

Reporter: ross.findon@iwcpl.co.uk

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by Simon Gilroy

4th January 2013, at 20:46:38

NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) Confirms High Methane Leakage Rate Up To 9% From Gas Fields, Gutting Climate Benefit.
http://theenergycollective.com/stephenlacey/166006/bridge-nowhere-noaa-confirms-high-methane-leakage-rate-9-gas-fields-gutting-clim

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by neil jacks

4th January 2013, at 09:11:54

I sincerely hope that some of our thread contributers read these articles and then appologise.

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by Darryl Fry

4th January 2013, at 04:34:36

A couple of interesting articles to read. https://lockthegate.org.au/health/ and https://www.tai.org.au/index.php?act=display&pubid=1032&q=node%2F19

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by Simon Gilroy

3rd January 2013, at 21:59:57

I thought this was an interesting article on a fracking incident in Louisiana
http://billmoyers.com/groupthink/underreported-stories-of-2012/americas-latest-oil-and-gas-rush/

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by neil jacks

3rd January 2013, at 08:45:46

I would say experience counts for everything if we read your contribution and that of Darryl Fry and simon Gilroy, i would they don't have the technology right yet and the poor people who have suffered from it are unfortunately part of the experiment.

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by Paul Wainwright

3rd January 2013, at 03:34:38

Well said Neil Jacks!! I have no geological qualifications either but have seen the damage fracking causes in my many travels around the world, especially in the US and Australia. But I suppose worldly experience counts for nothing to some of those so called "educated" university types many of whom are just a bunch of tossers.

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by geoffrey clynch

2nd January 2013, at 11:48:01

Neil Jacks, EXACTLY, Free Speech for the ordinary people is always the first to be hit in a DICTATORSHIP, keep having your say and everyone else who values FREE SPEECH

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by neil jacks

2nd January 2013, at 11:29:19

all i was trying to say was that most of us are ordinary folk and we should be allowed our opinions without being made to feel inferior.

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by geoffrey clynch

2nd January 2013, at 11:01:26

Neil Jacks ,Well said Again! Like everywhere else we find here the people who are FOR this kind of thing, PRETEND to be Educated, BRAINWASHED more like, with the Common Purpose, marxist treason, you will usually find those who are for these things, like Global Warming, are usually people who will also gain financially, especially those who shout the longest in support of things that the majority KNOW to be wrong

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by neil jacks

2nd January 2013, at 10:06:11

stephen elliott, and what about those, like you which are neither? You claim to be educated yet you and others have yet to allay the fears of the many who simply do not want their way of life threatening. We have had contributions from people here, who have actually witnessed the effects of fracking. Is that not education. Too many on this thread have discouraged worthwile contributers by trying to take control with an air of superiority.

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by neil jacks

2nd January 2013, at 09:29:44

I think we should pay for your flight Darryl.

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by Simon Gilroy

2nd January 2013, at 07:06:50

Who does Dr Dennes work for?

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by Darryl Fry

2nd January 2013, at 01:40:16

Found Dr Dennes. He is well qualified to comment. Though I worry that he supports teaching creationism in schools and disapproves or disbelieves evolution (article by him in the telegraph), odd for a scientist. I assume he makes a living as a paid consultant. I too am qualified in this are and was president of an large environmental consultancy for 12 years. My experience working with or against developers and fossil fuel companies is that the value of their scientific assessments was determined by the value of their pay cheques.

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by Darryl Fry

2nd January 2013, at 00:32:57

Only just read the debates on this blog and I was surprised to see some people support this. Over here the frack companies joined every debate and every social network as part of their PR spin. Meanwhile some farms have become too toxic to work, dams and streams bubble leaking gas. Regardless of the 'educated vs uneducated' debate - evidence speaks for itself. If you choose not to believe - go see for yourself. Banding antiquated cliches like, 'eco-terrorists,' is just silly juvenile nonsense. There is no such thing. Yes the film, Gasland, was sensationalist - but this is sensational. It produced real, actual on-the-ground evidence and interviewed real scientists, not paid PR agents with a Phd. Qualified educated people all over the world have condemned this practise. As with the global warming debate, real scientists vs psuedo scientists - like Screaming Lord Monkton. Oddly enough I cannot find Dr Denness on Google.

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by Darryl Fry

2nd January 2013, at 00:02:35

Council is actually considering allowing fracking on our beautiful island! I'm an expat but maybe I had better return home. Here in Australia this poisonous industry has been an absolute disaster. Hundreds of thousands of people have united to oppose what must be one of the most destructive toxic industries of the modern world. At times it has become quite violent, with private corporate security forces clashing with protesters. These frack criminals have a LOT of money. Island people, you must mobilise - block access, hold rallies,unite with the global anti-frack movement, show the film 'Gasland' to the public, start a social media campaign - change government and sack council if you have to. But get started before it is too late. You'll know it is too late when you can set fire to your ponds and streams.

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by Stephen Elliott

1st January 2013, at 23:01:39

The problem we have here is that we have educated people stating that it's safe. Then on the other hand we have uneducated people stating its not safe.

Educated opinion
Vs
Uneducated opinion

Educated wins all the time

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by Simon Gilroy

1st January 2013, at 19:39:04

I'm sorry, I thought this would be a place for a mature discussion of the proposals with both sides of the argument having a chance to be aired.

I just wanted to put forward my experiences of fracking.

Instead I see one up man-ship, juvenile snide comments and jingoism.

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by Don Prescott

1st January 2013, at 18:21:19

"Do YOU have the qualifications?"

No, but MY qualifications are not the issue here.

I am prepared to accept the evaluation by Dr. Denness as he is someone well qualified and experienced in the field as a Geologist..

You, on the other hand, attempt to subvert opinions by directing people to watch a video by Josh Fox, a self-admitted "environmental activist", who was ARRESTED for trying to record and subvert proceedings of a House of Representatives Committee in February 2012.

You want to "hang with" the Eco-terrorists (to use Arkansas speak)?

Your prerogative.
Just don't expect people to buy your propaganda anymore than we buy our electricity from Rayban and SSE.

Game, set and match.

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by Simon Gilroy

1st January 2013, at 17:30:41

Do YOU have the qualifications?

If you don't then my opinions are as valid as yours.

It seems like you are trying to subvert my opinions by claiming that my comments are vacuous.

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by Don Prescott

1st January 2013, at 17:13:20

"Obviously I do not have the qualifications of Dr Denness,"

NO, you don't do you?

"I feel that it is necessary to allow the residents of the Isle of Wight and anywhere else for that matter, to express their opinions and reservations."

I do not have a problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is someone who has "worked in the hazardous waste industry" trying to subvert those "opinions and reservations" by making vacuous comments on a subject upon which they "do not have the qualifications" to use your own admission!

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by Simon Gilroy

1st January 2013, at 11:48:59

Mr Prescott, you are comparing apple and oranges. I have no problem with benzene in my car, but I really don't want it in my drinking water.

Obviously I do not have the qualifications of Dr Denness, but in the interests of democracy, I feel that it is necessary to allow the residents of the Isle of Wight and anywhere else for that matter, to express their opinions and reservations.

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by Paul Wainwright

1st January 2013, at 09:20:18

Stephen: who was it mentioned You Tube and Wikipedia?? I think it was you actually. it certainly wasn't me and I don't rely on information there. And no, I did not visit the US to study fracking .. just saw the results on my extensive travels there, in Australia and other places. I also made no mention of someone receiving backhands and have no idea what you are talking about??

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by Don Prescott

1st January 2013, at 08:22:39

Stephen
you shouldn't really waste any more time on this.

When people use statements like "Benzene is a carcinogen...used in fracking" to bolster their argument", then their credibility is shot.

In the petro-chem industry around 2% of benzene is added to petroleum to increase the octane rating ( and I spent over 25 years IN that industry).
70% of mobile source benzene emissions can be attributed to onroad motor vehicles, so based on our Arkansan emigres argument, we should outlaw ALL onroad motor vehicles, which is, of course, utterly ridiculous.

Dr. Denness, MSc, DIC, PhD, MICE, FGS. or.... a bloke who went to the US/lived there, who knew someone down the pub, who knows someone who knows about these things?

Hmmn.. tough choice innit?

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by Stephen Elliott

1st January 2013, at 01:32:03

Oh also Wainwright....

I haven't even mention my studying QUALIFIES myself to pass on knowledge. I merely stated I have a better scientific understanding than YouTube and Wikipedia.

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by Stephen Elliott

1st January 2013, at 01:29:12

Ahh so Paul,

You travel to the USA to observe this process and study fracking?

My area of expertise isn't in fracking but I know about the the effect on geology this process does and like I said, mining does far worse environmental damage than this.
Also if its as bad as you claim Mr P, whose knowledge overrides a qualified island geologist (who no doubt you believe is recieving a back hand) will shortly be selling up and leaving?

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by Paul Wainwright

1st January 2013, at 00:29:12

Stephen Elliott...
Before you get on a high horse about your yet to be achieved university degree which gives you vast knowledge, perhaps you should do what people like me have done- visit areas in the US where this method is used and see for yourself the damage done. You do not need a degree and neither do you need You Tube or Wikipedia.

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by Simon Gilroy

31st December 2012, at 18:12:05

I'm neither a geologist or a chemist but, I have worked in the hazardous waste industry and I know that long-term xylene exposure can cause harmful effects to the nervous system, liver, and kidneys. Prolonged exposure to methylene chloride can cause neurological damage. Benzene is a carcinogen and all of these are used in the fracking process.

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by Russell Palin

31st December 2012, at 18:04:01

Common sense dictates that fracking will be bad for the Isle of Wight.
Put simply, shake the Island lightly a few times and see what happens.
House prices down insurance premiums up. Simples.

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by Don Prescott

31st December 2012, at 16:38:24

"a person who uses YouTube and Wikipedia as their book of reference! "

ROFLMAO!

Theres plenty of them on here, as my mate Ray Marsden will testify!

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by neil jacks

31st December 2012, at 16:03:50

Don't think we need a geologist to see the results that fracking has had on several occasions. see Simon Gilroy's earlier comment, ask the folk of Blackpool. Not good,

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by Stephen Elliott

31st December 2012, at 15:45:55

P Wainwright ,

Well I'm not a qualified geologist and I don't proclaim to be, but I would say I have a more scientific understanding that a person who uses YouTube and Wikipedia as their book of reference!

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by geoffrey clynch

31st December 2012, at 15:35:53

Mr.Scott, being stupid is no excuse for being ignorant, it is the likes of yourself that is helping to destroy Free Speech or do you enjoy living in a Police State.

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by DAVE SCOTT

31st December 2012, at 15:34:39

by geoffrey clynch31st December 2012, at 11:41:09Agree Mr.Jacks but certain members of the council WILL benefit financially and force it through you can be sure of that

....if you have PROOF of this, then you should be informing the relevant Police Authority and not playing 'Keyboard Warrior' on the County Press Forum - THEY wouldn't commit such comments in their paper, so why do you think you should be allowed to.

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by DAVE SCOTT

31st December 2012, at 15:24:31

I see the CP has seen sense over your earlier slanderous comments Mr.Clynch - it's a pity you still keep banging the same drum !!! Was it a Xmas present.....

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by Deborah Alexander

31st December 2012, at 14:59:26

Chris Firth, you think one of the reasons it wont happen is self interest from land owners, it's our Island, we should all be interested. You dont think these companies are drilling for charitable reasons do you?

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by geoffrey clynch

31st December 2012, at 14:40:19

Well said Mrs.James

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by Mrs James

31st December 2012, at 13:27:50

I fully Support the NO FRACKING Campaign along with the Say No To Wind Turbines also I am not a nimby Im a Concerned Resident of the Island who happens to be Awake and informed.

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by geoffrey clynch

31st December 2012, at 12:24:59

I would like to ask our MP Mr.Turner, where does he stand on this issue and will he help to stop this from going ahead???

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by geoffrey clynch

31st December 2012, at 12:15:29

Mr.Firth, i think a majority on the Island will hope that you are right

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by Russell Palin

31st December 2012, at 12:14:32

We need those NIMBY's now, they stopped the turbines they will stop the fracking too. Unless of course that the NIMBY's are oil barrons in which case we have no hope at all.

Chris Firth, oil exploration in the shales is a sign of an over populated world, we are getting desperate for fuel. We should be putting our efforts into reducing the population somewhat rather than exhausting every last drop of oil.

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by Chris Firth

31st December 2012, at 12:04:32

It won`t happen for the same reason we have no wind turbines, too many nimbys and too much self interest from land owners

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by Russell Palin

31st December 2012, at 11:50:49

All piped water on the IoW comes from the Test Vally on the mainland. The water drawn from the Island goes to the mainland for mixing with theirs, we don't get any of our own back.
Fracking will spoil water sent to the mainland. LOL
Their water comes from our chalk, it is the clays next to our chalk that will pollute this water, some of the clays contain pollutants like iron sulfide, the fracking will cause pollution of the Chalk watercourse deep down.
Our main problem will be quakes with our sedimentary local geology, it will be bad for house prices if they were to start fracking and cracking the houses.
What suggest we need is the person with the signature on the documents. We blame that person criminally for cracking our houses.
Once the people responsible realize that they will loose their own wealth they will leave us alone and go somewhere less populated to do their fracking.
Meanwhile the frackers and their friends should be treated like dirt by us all, for being greedy

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by geoffrey clynch

31st December 2012, at 11:41:09

Agree Mr.Jacks but certain members of the council WILL benefit financially and force it through you can be sure of that

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by neil jacks

31st December 2012, at 11:25:09

Mr Clynch, I doubt the council will ever get a say in this matter as i am just as sure we wont. This could be the worst thing to ever happen to the island but i fear it wont be stopped by any group of people. The only way this will not happen is if the gas is not commercially viable to extract . You can kiss goodbye to the grockles too, anyone thought of that. The industry that provides a good number of us with a living, already in a fragile state, will all but die.

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by geoffrey clynch

31st December 2012, at 11:06:07

I see Mr.Scott has got his way and forced the CP to censure free speech with a D-Notice, which proves that some people have things to hide, must have hit a nerve, Thank you Mr.Clipstone, but look what happens in todays media and press if you try to get TRUTH out to the ordinary public

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by Simon Gilroy

31st December 2012, at 08:10:09

I have just moved to the island from Arkansas where fracking was common. We DID have earthquakes after the fracking start which stopped when the fracking was suspended. Also do we really want our water supply poisoned by the chemicals used in the fracking process. There is a documentary called "Gasland" which highlights the potential dangers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZe1AeH0Qz8

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by Paul Wainwright

31st December 2012, at 02:46:09

Well said Stephen.. but all you have to do now is pass your exams to prove your point. Your comment is rather like someone who has had a few driving lessons telling us they know everything about motoring.

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by Stephen Elliott

31st December 2012, at 00:18:14

Don,

Believe or not but I'm actually 3 years in to an open uni degree in Geoscience.

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by Paul Clipstone

30th December 2012, at 19:34:50

Well spoken Geoffrey Clynch, factual, honest, truthful and exactly what the islanders think about this council.

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by neil jacks

30th December 2012, at 18:14:10

I also fear that D.P. is correct in saying it will happen.

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by neil jacks

30th December 2012, at 15:36:51

Fracking is a process, which requires pushing millions of gallons of water, sand and industrial chemicals into shale wells to fracture rock and push out oil and gas. This is just the start. You would need multiple rigs, a large terminal and other infrastructure. You might be able to see it from your house people.I dare say you will feel it from your house, smell it a hear it too. Nice. Try getting your house insured in an area where fracking takes place, an area that is already prone to landslip subsidance and settlement, The isle of wight perhaps.Oh dear this is not good news.

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by Don Prescott

30th December 2012, at 14:05:13

Stephen,

Please stop talking so much sense.

You are nearly as bad as GEOLOGIST Dr. Bruce Denness who "did not believe the process was a significant risk to land stability on the Island,"

What would a GEOLOGIST know about GEOLOGY when compared to the "bloke down the pub", or the opportunist in the Green Cloak?

Fortunately, those in positions of decision making, will press ahead with CONTROLLED fracking and relieve the UK of its reliance on Russian gas, middle eastern oil and French nuclear power.

We will have gas reserves lasting for 50-100 years according to the GEOLOGISTS, but there will still be the clowns who wish to cover the island in wind turbines.

I just love it when a plan comes together and has the added bonus of leaving these chumps with egg on their faces and just insults and personal attacks on GEOLOGISTS, engineers and scientists as all they have left.

Fracking WILL happen. Get used to it and move on.

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by geoffrey clynch

30th December 2012, at 14:00:27

Im sorry Mr.Scott, has that touched on a nerve or getting too near the truth

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by ROBERT SMITH

30th December 2012, at 13:57:11

Should we not as the experts......THE PEOLPE OF BLACKPOOL where they have already had earthquakes due to fracking......

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by David Blackford

30th December 2012, at 13:41:48

I don't hear much talk about the gas released from these underground shale deposits contributing to global warming. However, I guess that is our future generation's problem

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by DAVE SCOTT

30th December 2012, at 13:40:37

I really think that is SLANDER Clynch - I hope either you or the CP will withdraw that comment !

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by Kevin Barclay-Jay

30th December 2012, at 12:44:12

House price and value is mostly based upon opinion and what people will pay...buyers (thanks to the bad reporting - right or wrong) will not buy houses on the Island if fracking occurs, no matter what experts say.. Insurance will be hit and our already fragile Island economy further eroded.

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by Stephen Elliott

30th December 2012, at 12:06:09

Omg you are all so ill informed its unbelievable.

Fracking is controlled extraction!

Do you all really believe that they just expand the rocks and hopefully capture as it leaves the ground?

It does no damage to the planet. The process is only affecting to upper surface, mining does more damage than fracking.

Oh and do you really believe that they would put homes n lives at risk? So much negative press would kill their companies instantly.

Get a grip people, we need energy otherwise the Russians and Chinese will impose communist rule on the world as we'll be completely dependant on them for energy!

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by Russell Palin

30th December 2012, at 11:40:30

One more thing I dare anybody to find the largest quakes caused by fracking, google search.

Nobody can guarantee that we wont have just mag 2 to 3 earthquakes, nobody.
I have witnessed a Mag 5.4 in 1984 Lleyn peninsular Wales earthquake, I was in Cheshire at the time, on red sand, the effects by the time it reached the 40 miles or so to me were Mag 3, it cracked ours and our neighbors houses. I loved it at the time, being a teenager it was something I will always remember, the side to side up and down swaying like on the sea. (sedimentary strata like IoW)
My brother does not remember it, yet he was right near the epicenter, (only10 miles away) asleep in his tent with his mates, on solid rock, they did not feel a thing.(Hard volcanic bedrock)

Compare this to the wind turbines for property price difference, post project, I think I know which one would make the biggest loss right across the Island.

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by Russell Palin

30th December 2012, at 10:54:54

The strata under the Island has the oil shale that is spoken about.
The strata also contains lots of sands and clays,sedimentary strata it is called. If one was to cause lots(more than 2 or 3) of Magnitude 2 to 3 earthquakes in the vicinity, the sedimentary strata would not hold up the buildings on it reliably. Some buildings would crack and move.
Best thing to do is photograph all buildings before fracking starts then as soon as buildings crack and or shift, go to court stop the fracking and sue the pants of those responsible.

Fracking will crack and devalue buildings on the Island. Mag 2 to 3 earthquakes do this to estuarine sedimentary strata.
If anybody does not believe me ask any Island householder what it is like living with speed ramps or bad potholes on the road outside the house, when a bus passes over and gives a mag 0.2 earthquake, yes 0.2 not 2.0 or 3.0.
Fracking is only good for un-populated areas, not the most populated areas like south central England.

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by Lee Majors

30th December 2012, at 10:16:18

Oh great, the Earth is round, and more or less solid/compacted right down to the core, so what do we do around the world everyday, we suck out this oil, and what goes in its place deep underground? Air? Vacuum? Whatever happens it is now just another empty void, leading to potential disaster/earthquake/plates moving etc etc, the islands coastline is unstable enough as it is without any more risk of movement/collapse from sucking our underneath out.

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by Don Prescott

30th December 2012, at 09:42:43

tony, at least the CP did get the view of someone who is ACTUALLY qualified to give a view.

Geologists across the UK are very upbeat about shale gas and the longevity of reserves, but why believe them when its a better sound bite to get Raybans perverted views.

According to Raybans twitter account, the CP RANG HIM UP to ask his opinion about fracking!!!

Pity they did not ask him about his overdue annual accounts, but then with the CPs devotion to all things Green and green, hardly surprising.

I hear, however, that Companies House has "reminded" him about the overdue accounts and I look forward to seeing what he pays himself out of the £500 million he has supposed to have "raised" from "partners" who will, no doubt, want to see a return on their investment.

Residents better watch out for salesmen calling!

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by tony white

30th December 2012, at 08:42:17

I suppose rayban man had to get his comment in based on his huge personal knowledge of the subject, still he has blessed us with words of wisdom since egoisland pop failed,,,bless

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by David Blackford

30th December 2012, at 08:27:09

Hey Dave Walker - you beat my comment by 4 minutes!

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by David Blackford

30th December 2012, at 08:25:47

Just a thought - If the geological structures under our Island contain shale perhaps areas just offshore or in the Solent might be better and safer locations for fracking?

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by david walker

30th December 2012, at 08:21:35

a few back handers waved at the right faces will make all the risks of this process simply disappear.

Any views or opinions presented in the comments above are solely those of the author and do not represent those of the Isle of Wight County Press.

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